Comments on: Online Church – Heresy or Helpful, Opportunity or Obscene? http://churchm.ag/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/ Exploring the Intersection of Church and Technology Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:25:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Social Monday: Online Eucharist – Asking the right questions « NewsMuse http://churchm.ag/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37781 Social Monday: Online Eucharist – Asking the right questions « NewsMuse Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:36:59 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/09/03/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37781 [...] post by John Saddington on Church Crunch, about Online Church, which includes several helpful [...] [...] post by John Saddington on Church Crunch, about Online Church, which includes several helpful [...]

]]> By: Physical Community | Thoughts about Nothing*com http://churchm.ag/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37780 Physical Community | Thoughts about Nothing*com Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:08:47 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/09/03/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37780 [...] has been a lot of conversations taking place around social media. Videos, Blog Post, and tokbox conversations have centered around this idea of finding community inside the world wide [...] [...] has been a lot of conversations taking place around social media. Videos, Blog Post, and tokbox conversations have centered around this idea of finding community inside the world wide [...]

]]> By: Daniel_Berman http://churchm.ag/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37779 Daniel_Berman Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:08:16 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/09/03/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37779 And right here is a graphical illustrations of misunderstandings of communication from text alone. My apologies Wesley. Its very easy to put people in boxes. I have read way to much criticism of Church online, and it gets old really fast. That said why is it so hard for people to understand this both/and reality? And right here is a graphical illustrations of misunderstandings of communication from text alone. My apologies Wesley. Its very easy to put people in boxes. I have read way to much criticism of Church online, and it gets old really fast.

That said why is it so hard for people to understand this both/and reality?

]]> By: Wesley Allen http://churchm.ag/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37778 Wesley Allen Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:59:55 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/09/03/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37778 "With the utmost of respect, if you don't have a solution don't offer a critique...." I've had about 7 or 8 responses written to this, none of which were appropriate because, frankly, I'm rather ticked. Here's the deal. I read the posts, appreciated all of them, and threw in my two cents - and got smacked for really no good reason. I didn't offer a "solution" because I don't see a serious internet presence for Churches as a "problem." I rather see the online and physical realities of the Church in this age as a "both/and" reality that requires a lot of deep reflection as well as interaction. "With the utmost of respect, if you don't have a solution don't offer a critique…."

I've had about 7 or 8 responses written to this, none of which were appropriate because, frankly, I'm rather ticked.

Here's the deal. I read the posts, appreciated all of them, and threw in my two cents – and got smacked for really no good reason.

I didn't offer a "solution" because I don't see a serious internet presence for Churches as a "problem." I rather see the online and physical realities of the Church in this age as a "both/and" reality that requires a lot of deep reflection as well as interaction.

]]> By: Daniel_Berman http://churchm.ag/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37776 Daniel_Berman Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:02:34 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/09/03/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37776 My comment was mostly directed at Wesley, but in reference to you; its one thing to discuss the fact that there's been discussion about certain points its quite another to level specific complaints without an alternative. But proposed solutions are nice... My comment was mostly directed at Wesley, but in reference to you; its one thing to discuss the fact that there's been discussion about certain points its quite another to level specific complaints without an alternative.

But proposed solutions are nice…

]]> By: Daniel_Berman http://churchm.ag/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37777 Daniel_Berman Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:02:17 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/09/03/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37777 My comment was mostly directed at Wesley, but in reference to you; its one thing to discuss the fact that there's been discussion about certain points its quite another to level specific complaints without an alternative. My comment was mostly directed at Wesley, but in reference to you; its one thing to discuss the fact that there's been discussion about certain points its quite another to level specific complaints without an alternative.

]]> By: human3rror http://churchm.ag/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37775 human3rror Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:52:05 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/09/03/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37775 perhaps i need a solution in this post... perhaps i need a solution in this post…

]]> By: @megodbike http://churchm.ag/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37770 @megodbike Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:43:40 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/09/03/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37770 Many of the anti-online comments on here and criticisms elsewhere seem to point to the lack of fellowship online. Just speaking from personal experience, I have met more people who would be willing to share their lives with me, walk with me one day at a time and fight spiritual battles with me, than I find in many British (I don't know about America) physical churches. I cannot start debating on theology, but just from my own experience. Many of the anti-online comments on here and criticisms elsewhere seem to point to the lack of fellowship online. Just speaking from personal experience, I have met more people who would be willing to share their lives with me, walk with me one day at a time and fight spiritual battles with me, than I find in many British (I don't know about America) physical churches. I cannot start debating on theology, but just from my own experience.

]]> By: Daniel_Berman http://churchm.ag/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37773 Daniel_Berman Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:34:44 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/09/03/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37773 You raise many good points, and these need to be addressed by Church's leading online ministries and ChurchCrunch is a good forum to raise such questions in. However, at the same time many people have raised similar questions both in this time frame and stretching back to the printing press with similar concerns I would imagine about the "proper Christian response" to many different communications technologies and its effects Christian community. Unfortunately I see a large number of people willing to offer criticisms but very few step forward with solutions. There's definitely a need to encourage people to think, but I think that privilege is often abused. With the utmost of respect, if you don't have a solution don't offer a critique.... You raise many good points, and these need to be addressed by Church's leading online ministries and ChurchCrunch is a good forum to raise such questions in.

However, at the same time many people have raised similar questions both in this time frame and stretching back to the printing press with similar concerns I would imagine about the "proper Christian response" to many different communications technologies and its effects Christian community. Unfortunately I see a large number of people willing to offer criticisms but very few step forward with solutions. There's definitely a need to encourage people to think, but I think that privilege is often abused. With the utmost of respect, if you don't have a solution don't offer a critique….

]]> By: Daniel_Berman http://churchm.ag/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37774 Daniel_Berman Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:34:05 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/09/03/online-church-heresy-or-helpful-opportunity-or-obscene/#comment-37774 You raise many good points, and these need to be addressed by Church's leading online ministries and ChurchCrunch is a good forum to raise such questions in. However, at the same time many people have raised similar questions both in this time frame and stretching back to the printing press with similar concerns I would imagine about the "proper Christian response" to many different communications technologies and its effects Christian community. Unfortunately I see a large number of people willing to offer criticisms but very few step forward with solutions. There's definitely a need to encourage people to think, but I think that privilege often abused. With the utmost of respect, if you don't have a solution don't offer a critique.... You raise many good points, and these need to be addressed by Church's leading online ministries and ChurchCrunch is a good forum to raise such questions in.

However, at the same time many people have raised similar questions both in this time frame and stretching back to the printing press with similar concerns I would imagine about the "proper Christian response" to many different communications technologies and its effects Christian community. Unfortunately I see a large number of people willing to offer criticisms but very few step forward with solutions. There's definitely a need to encourage people to think, but I think that privilege often abused. With the utmost of respect, if you don't have a solution don't offer a critique….

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