Comments on: Most Ministries Are Ignorant of Social Networking http://churchm.ag/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/ Exploring the Intersection of Church and Technology Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:25:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: sexrev.org» Blog Archive » WWW on the WWW http://churchm.ag/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43778 sexrev.org» Blog Archive » WWW on the WWW Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:45:04 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/04/09/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43778 [...] Most Ministries are Ignorant of Social Networking. Are you? [...] [...] Most Ministries are Ignorant of Social Networking. Are you? [...]

]]> By: tekzt http://churchm.ag/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43777 tekzt Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:12:18 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/04/09/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43777 i have to admit that i´m not doing much, because we have a complicated situation in our community. We complained about our priest at the bishopric, because he just didn´t follow his duties in spiritual guidance, organisation and he was drunk way too often. Before i took over the parish newsletter, there hasn´t been one out for one year and it´s supposed to come out at least every 3 month. On a local festival he also insulted the comudsman of the parish council with "i wish you the plague". A Priest just can´t do sth like that. Of course he also had his good qualities, like very modern services with selfwritten, very spiritual songs, he´s a rhetorical genius and his sermons really got you involved. But that just couldn´t make up for the flaws. So he was removed but now they don´t want to send us a new one because of cost cuttings and we work a lot in this direction, speak with politicians that they support us, organize meetings with decision-makers of the national and state churches to address the issues etc... we even had a protest march lol. maybe i can work into another direction when this stuff is behind us, but in the past month there has been too much going on for us to even really address this. i have to admit that i´m not doing much, because we have a complicated situation in our community. We complained about our priest at the bishopric, because he just didn´t follow his duties in spiritual guidance, organisation and he was drunk way too often. Before i took over the parish newsletter, there hasn´t been one out for one year and it´s supposed to come out at least every 3 month. On a local festival he also insulted the comudsman of the parish council with "i wish you the plague". A Priest just can´t do sth like that. Of course he also had his good qualities, like very modern services with selfwritten, very spiritual songs, he´s a rhetorical genius and his sermons really got you involved. But that just couldn´t make up for the flaws.

So he was removed but now they don´t want to send us a new one because of cost cuttings and we work a lot in this direction, speak with politicians that they support us, organize meetings with decision-makers of the national and state churches to address the issues etc… we even had a protest march lol. maybe i can work into another direction when this stuff is behind us, but in the past month there has been too much going on for us to even really address this.

]]> By: human3rror http://churchm.ag/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43776 human3rror Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:59:04 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/04/09/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43776 very true. good point and clarification.<br /><br />;) very true. good point and clarification.

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]]> By: Larry http://churchm.ag/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43775 Larry Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:51:39 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/04/09/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43775 John, I don't believe it's that ministries are ignorant of social networking... they're ignorant of *Christian* social networking (and, imo, that's probably a GOOD thing). If you'd look at the other slides Drew presented, you'd see that several churches are on Facebook, Twitter, even a few on MySpace, but most of those same 'connected' churches haven't even HEARD of "Christian" services. As Drew mentioned, creating Christian ghettos isn't the answer. Get out where the unsaved and unchurched are, not where the ones that know salvation already are. John, I don't believe it's that ministries are ignorant of social networking… they're ignorant of *Christian* social networking (and, imo, that's probably a GOOD thing). If you'd look at the other slides Drew presented, you'd see that several churches are on Facebook, Twitter, even a few on MySpace, but most of those same 'connected' churches haven't even HEARD of "Christian" services.

As Drew mentioned, creating Christian ghettos isn't the answer. Get out where the unsaved and unchurched are, not where the ones that know salvation already are.

]]> By: Phillip Gibb http://churchm.ag/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43774 Phillip Gibb Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:09:11 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/04/09/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43774 ok, I think it is harder to click 'Post' for the video than it is to click 'Submit' for the blog. I sound like an idiot ha ha ha ok, I think it is harder to click 'Post' for the video than it is to click 'Submit' for the blog.
I sound like an idiot
ha ha ha

]]> By: human3rror http://churchm.ag/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43773 human3rror Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:40:08 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/04/09/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43773 wow, <br /><br />what do you think needs to happen over there? what are you doing to move it forward? wow,

what do you think needs to happen over there? what are you doing to move it forward?

]]> By: Phillip Gibb http://churchm.ag/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43772 Phillip Gibb Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:37:14 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/04/09/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43772 seesmic, looking into it now. tks seesmic, looking into it now.
tks

]]> By: tekzt http://churchm.ag/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43771 tekzt Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:05:23 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/04/09/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43771 sadly i think the situation in germany is even worse because most ministries here are ignorant of the internet as a whole. i am in charge of the parish newsletter in our community and it´s really a fight with the parish council here that we finally get a website. In Germany most people who get involved are pretty old and they just don´t care. i often get handwritten texts for the parish newsletter (which i made into shiny full color magazine btw ) instead of files. So yeah, christianity here has to arrive in the 21st century first before i can even think about social networking. Our neighborministry has a website, but it looks like those beepworld sites from 2001 (rly, they even play midi files with music there lol) So back to the real topic: I recently had a pretty long discussion about that topic and I say it´s wrong to have an separated place for religious groups. Sometimes the church has to come to the people to get the people involved with the church. The people in charge often prefer places made especially for christians because there are many nonbelievers on the web who make fun of religion as a whole and they don´t want to deal with this. They also want to avoid contact with other religions because we all know the discussion abour right and wrong religion etc etc. plus they fall for marketing aimed at christians. while i think jokesters and those unnecessary discussions that could come up are an issue, a minstry should be near the people and don´t turn away from them. Because if the church turns away from the people, the people will start turning away from the church. That´s probably not only an online issue but also very afk. (i should add that this might not apply to the US, the discussion i had was with people from the UK, South Africa, Malta and Spain, hope my thoughts were still a bit interesting) sadly i think the situation in germany is even worse because most ministries here are ignorant of the internet as a whole. i am in charge of the parish newsletter in our community and it´s really a fight with the parish council here that we finally get a website. In Germany most people who get involved are pretty old and they just don´t care. i often get handwritten texts for the parish newsletter (which i made into shiny full color magazine btw ) instead of files. So yeah, christianity here has to arrive in the 21st century first before i can even think about social networking. Our neighborministry has a website, but it looks like those beepworld sites from 2001 (rly, they even play midi files with music there lol)

So back to the real topic: I recently had a pretty long discussion about that topic and I say it´s wrong to have an separated place for religious groups. Sometimes the church has to come to the people to get the people involved with the church. The people in charge often prefer places made especially for christians because there are many nonbelievers on the web who make fun of religion as a whole and they don´t want to deal with this. They also want to avoid contact with other religions because we all know the discussion abour right and wrong religion etc etc. plus they fall for marketing aimed at christians. while i think jokesters and those unnecessary discussions that could come up are an issue, a minstry should be near the people and don´t turn away from them. Because if the church turns away from the people, the people will start turning away from the church. That´s probably not only an online issue but also very afk.

(i should add that this might not apply to the US, the discussion i had was with people from the UK, South Africa, Malta and Spain, hope my thoughts were still a bit interesting)

]]> By: kkcoolj http://churchm.ag/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43770 kkcoolj Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:31:47 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/04/09/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43770 It might be a blessing in disguise that the explicitly Christian social networks aren't gaining traction as of yet. This point in time is a huge opportunity for us (YOU + me + he + she...) to start to define what Christian living is like online. I'm interested in developing great models for how we as Christians are to integrate our faith + life together vs. have parallel online identities/lives similiar to the Sunday Christian + Secular Mon-Saturday living. Tim Keller's Redeemer Presbyeterian in NYC has a Faith & Work ministry that is working the offline-framework for how to integrate the Gospel worldview with work/entrepreneurship with an effect of transforming culture and people. We have a similiar opportunity to do the same with online social network activities. Less Xtian-Facebook and more Facebook-Xtians! It might be a blessing in disguise that the explicitly Christian social networks aren't gaining traction as of yet. This point in time is a huge opportunity for us (YOU + me + he + she…) to start to define what Christian living is like online.

I'm interested in developing great models for how we as Christians are to integrate our faith + life together vs. have parallel online identities/lives similiar to the Sunday Christian + Secular Mon-Saturday living. Tim Keller's Redeemer Presbyeterian in NYC has a Faith & Work ministry that is working the offline-framework for how to integrate the Gospel worldview with work/entrepreneurship with an effect of transforming culture and people. We have a similiar opportunity to do the same with online social network activities. Less Xtian-Facebook and more Facebook-Xtians!

]]> By: human3rror http://churchm.ag/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43769 human3rror Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:16:07 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/2009/04/09/most-ministries-are-ignorant-of-social-networking/#comment-43769 wow, that is cool! do you have seesmic? wow, that is cool! do you have seesmic?

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