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	<title>Comments on: Flickering Pixels – Group Blogging Project – Chapter 7</title>
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		<title>By: SCBubba</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/flickering-pixels-%e2%80%93-group-blogging-project-%e2%80%93-chapter-7/#comment-41019</link>
		<dc:creator>SCBubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff, Dave. 
 
I don&#039;t think that images or words, in and of themselves, can be true replacements for each other. They are, most always, complementary, There are cases where they can be used to convey the same thing, but one is usually more effective than the other. 
 
I think the consensus is that a mixture of the two can be very effective in many situations but how it is done needs to be tailored to the desired outcome, the cultural context, the audience mood/background, etc. 
 
Drawing on the previous chapter that proposed that we are, as a culture, getting shorter attention spans I think there is a greater draw to images (still or moving) because of the perceived efficiency. 
 
I watched a show on the History Channel last night that documented the evolution of the comic book hero. One thing that stuck out was that Hollywood has a hard time making a &quot;great&quot; movie around comic book characters because the movie medium does not lend itself to depth of character like the graphic novel medium does. Reading the thoughts and emotions in the words included in the panels of a comic book convey a lot that cannot be captured on the screen. Very interesting in comparison with this chapter. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, Dave. </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think that images or words, in and of themselves, can be true replacements for each other. They are, most always, complementary, There are cases where they can be used to convey the same thing, but one is usually more effective than the other. </p>
<p>I think the consensus is that a mixture of the two can be very effective in many situations but how it is done needs to be tailored to the desired outcome, the cultural context, the audience mood/background, etc. </p>
<p>Drawing on the previous chapter that proposed that we are, as a culture, getting shorter attention spans I think there is a greater draw to images (still or moving) because of the perceived efficiency. </p>
<p>I watched a show on the History Channel last night that documented the evolution of the comic book hero. One thing that stuck out was that Hollywood has a hard time making a &quot;great&quot; movie around comic book characters because the movie medium does not lend itself to depth of character like the graphic novel medium does. Reading the thoughts and emotions in the words included in the panels of a comic book convey a lot that cannot be captured on the screen. Very interesting in comparison with this chapter.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam_S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw a blog post quoting Alan Jacobs (Wheaton Literature Professor, author and bloggers)  
  
&lt;blockquote&gt;Again and again in my career I have seen that people who can write well &#8212; in almost any field &#8212; give themselves a great advantage over their competition. I have former students in the business world, English majors all, who have kept their jobs or even gotten promotions when people with business and economics degrees were being laid off: their ability to communicate, especially in writing, was always the key. What Toor and O&#8217;Connor show is that there are basic writing skills that almost anyone can learn and employ, skills that will save them a lot of time and effort later &#8212; if they are willing to take some time and effort now. But of course, it helps if they can find someone to teach them...&lt;/blockquote&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw a blog post quoting Alan Jacobs (Wheaton Literature Professor, author and bloggers)  </p>
<blockquote><p>Again and again in my career I have seen that people who can write well &mdash; in almost any field &mdash; give themselves a great advantage over their competition. I have former students in the business world, English majors all, who have kept their jobs or even gotten promotions when people with business and economics degrees were being laid off: their ability to communicate, especially in writing, was always the key. What Toor and O&rsquo;Connor show is that there are basic writing skills that almost anyone can learn and employ, skills that will save them a lot of time and effort later &mdash; if they are willing to take some time and effort now. But of course, it helps if they can find someone to teach them&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Adam_S</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/flickering-pixels-%e2%80%93-group-blogging-project-%e2%80%93-chapter-7/#comment-41017</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw a blog post quoting Alan Jacobs (Wheaton Literature Professor, author and bloggers) 
 
&lt;quote&gt;Again and again in my career I have seen that people who can write well &#8212; in almost any field &#8212; give themselves a great advantage over their competition. I have former students in the business world, English majors all, who have kept their jobs or even gotten promotions when people with business and economics degrees were being laid off: their ability to communicate, especially in writing, was always the key. What Toor and O&#8217;Connor show is that there are basic writing skills that almost anyone can learn and employ, skills that will save them a lot of time and effort later &#8212; if they are willing to take some time and effort now. But of course, it helps if they can find someone to teach them...&lt;/quote&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw a blog post quoting Alan Jacobs (Wheaton Literature Professor, author and bloggers) </p>
<p>&lt;quote&gt;Again and again in my career I have seen that people who can write well &mdash; in almost any field &mdash; give themselves a great advantage over their competition. I have former students in the business world, English majors all, who have kept their jobs or even gotten promotions when people with business and economics degrees were being laid off: their ability to communicate, especially in writing, was always the key. What Toor and O&rsquo;Connor show is that there are basic writing skills that almost anyone can learn and employ, skills that will save them a lot of time and effort later &mdash; if they are willing to take some time and effort now. But of course, it helps if they can find someone to teach them&#8230;&lt;/quote&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Gibb</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/flickering-pixels-%e2%80%93-group-blogging-project-%e2%80%93-chapter-7/#comment-41016</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Gibb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be a sad time if the printed word ever becomes redundant. There is just something about the way your mind works in &#039;seeing&#039; the story taking place that is so  much more real than watching the film. Maybe in a few years that will be the sentiments of fuddy duddies like me, lol. 
But somehow I doubt that that will every happen because new mediums that come about will always just be an extension of what already exists. There is no need for knowledge to be conveyed orally, but it still happens - from the story told to the child to the discussion of new ideas. Even visual media starts orally and thru print via scripts etc. 
Even teachin DVDs come with workbooks and ideas for discussion.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be a sad time if the printed word ever becomes redundant. There is just something about the way your mind works in &#039;seeing&#039; the story taking place that is so  much more real than watching the film. Maybe in a few years that will be the sentiments of fuddy duddies like me, lol.<br />
But somehow I doubt that that will every happen because new mediums that come about will always just be an extension of what already exists. There is no need for knowledge to be conveyed orally, but it still happens &#8211; from the story told to the child to the discussion of new ideas. Even visual media starts orally and thru print via scripts etc.<br />
Even teachin DVDs come with workbooks and ideas for discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam_S</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/flickering-pixels-%e2%80%93-group-blogging-project-%e2%80%93-chapter-7/#comment-41015</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a good article.  It was a good way to talk about post modernism with my father and some others that liked star trek and understood the references. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a good article.  It was a good way to talk about post modernism with my father and some others that liked star trek and understood the references.</p>
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		<title>By: Images &#38; Words - Harbinger of Soul</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/flickering-pixels-%e2%80%93-group-blogging-project-%e2%80%93-chapter-7/#comment-41013</link>
		<dc:creator>Images &#38; Words - Harbinger of Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the group blogging project I announced awhile back? It&#8217;s well underway, and today I got to tackle chapter seven of Shane Hipp&#8217;s book, Flickering Pixels. There&#8217;s quite a bit happening in that chapter, and I only got to one of the three main [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the group blogging project I announced awhile back? It&#8217;s well underway, and today I got to tackle chapter seven of Shane Hipp&#8217;s book, Flickering Pixels. There&#8217;s quite a bit happening in that chapter, and I only got to one of the three main [...]</p>
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		<title>By: stephenbateman</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/flickering-pixels-%e2%80%93-group-blogging-project-%e2%80%93-chapter-7/#comment-41014</link>
		<dc:creator>stephenbateman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it must&#039;ve been a good article if you remember it from ten years ago! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it must&#039;ve been a good article if you remember it from ten years ago!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Sandell</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/flickering-pixels-%e2%80%93-group-blogging-project-%e2%80%93-chapter-7/#comment-41012</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Sandell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a hard time pinning down what content benefits from what mediums.  Working with poverty, kids, etc, seems to benefit from faces, but I worry that we&#039;re being manipulative.  But maybe we&#039;re always being manipulative, and that&#039;s not a bad thing, just the nature of trying to change the world.  Shane would probably argue that we should use what we know to our advantage.  But is it okay to be manipulative? I&#039;m not talking about Sally Struthers-izing our churches, just using images to compel people to action. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a hard time pinning down what content benefits from what mediums.  Working with poverty, kids, etc, seems to benefit from faces, but I worry that we&#039;re being manipulative.  But maybe we&#039;re always being manipulative, and that&#039;s not a bad thing, just the nature of trying to change the world.  Shane would probably argue that we should use what we know to our advantage.  But is it okay to be manipulative? I&#039;m not talking about Sally Struthers-izing our churches, just using images to compel people to action.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam_S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a really good article comparing Spock and Data in Leadership magazine about 10 years ago.  (I looked for the article to link it but there were too many recent articles on Star trek to find it, even on Google Scholar.)   
 
It showed the transition between modernity and post-modernity between the two shows.  Spock was the ideal type in the first show while Data strove toward the ideal human in the second. Great article. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a really good article comparing Spock and Data in Leadership magazine about 10 years ago.  (I looked for the article to link it but there were too many recent articles on Star trek to find it, even on Google Scholar.)   </p>
<p>It showed the transition between modernity and post-modernity between the two shows.  Spock was the ideal type in the first show while Data strove toward the ideal human in the second. Great article.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Steinbrueck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Steinbrueck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this chapter fascinating.  It&#039;s particularly interesting the way we have shifted from a text-oriented culture to an image-oriented culture and the affects that has had. 
 
For the most part I agree that words invoke thought while images invoke emotion.  So, when we consider whether to use words or images to convey something and how, we have to ask ourselves do I want to evoke thought or emotion or both.  I think this is a particularly important question for people who communicate the gospel - pastors, people who plan church worship services, and church communication/web directors. 
 
Our faith should be one of both passion/emotion and reason, so we should be engaging people with both words and images, but at different times and in different settings it may be better to emphasize one over the other depending on what you&#039;re trying to accomplish. 
 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this chapter fascinating.  It&#039;s particularly interesting the way we have shifted from a text-oriented culture to an image-oriented culture and the affects that has had. </p>
<p>For the most part I agree that words invoke thought while images invoke emotion.  So, when we consider whether to use words or images to convey something and how, we have to ask ourselves do I want to evoke thought or emotion or both.  I think this is a particularly important question for people who communicate the gospel &#8211; pastors, people who plan church worship services, and church communication/web directors. </p>
<p>Our faith should be one of both passion/emotion and reason, so we should be engaging people with both words and images, but at different times and in different settings it may be better to emphasize one over the other depending on what you&#039;re trying to accomplish.</p>
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