Comments on: Does Adding ‘Ministry’ Make You Legit? (Get Rich Quick Schemes Still Suck!) http://churchm.ag/does-adding-ministry-make-you-legit-get-rich-quick-schemes-still-suck/ Exploring the Intersection of Church and Technology Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:17:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ced Reynolds http://churchm.ag/does-adding-ministry-make-you-legit-get-rich-quick-schemes-still-suck/#comment-34822 Ced Reynolds Mon, 29 Nov 2010 00:38:01 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=7237#comment-34822 Thanks for your heart to see the gospel conveyed in a meaningful manner. I whole heartedly agree with that it should be. I happen to be invoved with network marketing and ministry. I guess you might call me a Multi Level Ministry supporter. Of course real ministry has to be involved. One of the ways we make Multi Level Ministry work is helping people put their testimonies on their websites. Anybody who loves Jesus has a testimony and they should be willing to disciple others who come to know Jesus to share their testimonies. The Multi Level Marketing model seems to fit the bill based on this scenario. It's simply a plan to be fruitful and multiply. We think the internet is a great way to go into all the world and preach the gospel and we believe the testimonies of believers can be a good starting point. Just fyi, I find just tagging a "feel good gospel appeal" to a company marketing plan is not true Multi Level Ministry. It's simple Multi Level Marketing with a "feel good gospel appeal." Lastly, do understand, our church and the people who help others put their testimonies online do benefit financially. We get paid $1 per person from each $10 sale. It's paid on 5 levels of the compensation plan from the company that provides the domain names, personalized email addresses, site builder and hosting, all for the $10 sale. We figure websites could be used for anything but we've decided to use them for sharing our testimonies. Getting paid is a side benefit. If anybody believes this kind of Multi Level Ministry is wrong, I don't know what to say. Thanks for your heart to see the gospel conveyed in a meaningful manner. I whole heartedly agree with that it should be. I happen to be invoved with network marketing and ministry. I guess you might call me a Multi Level Ministry supporter. Of course real ministry has to be involved.

One of the ways we make Multi Level Ministry work is helping people put their testimonies on their websites. Anybody who loves Jesus has a testimony and they should be willing to disciple others who come to know Jesus to share their testimonies. The Multi Level Marketing model seems to fit the bill based on this scenario. It’s simply a plan to be fruitful and multiply. We think the internet is a great way to go into all the world and preach the gospel and we believe the testimonies of believers can be a good starting point.

Just fyi, I find just tagging a “feel good gospel appeal” to a company marketing plan is not true Multi Level Ministry. It’s simple Multi Level Marketing with a “feel good gospel appeal.”

Lastly, do understand, our church and the people who help others put their testimonies online do benefit financially. We get paid $1 per person from each $10 sale. It’s paid on 5 levels of the compensation plan from the company that provides the domain names, personalized email addresses, site builder and hosting, all for the $10 sale.

We figure websites could be used for anything but we’ve decided to use them for sharing our testimonies. Getting paid is a side benefit.

If anybody believes this kind of Multi Level Ministry is wrong, I don’t know what to say.

]]> By: John Saddington http://churchm.ag/does-adding-ministry-make-you-legit-get-rich-quick-schemes-still-suck/#comment-34821 John Saddington Sun, 16 May 2010 19:35:26 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=7237#comment-34821 :) :)

]]> By: Raymond http://churchm.ag/does-adding-ministry-make-you-legit-get-rich-quick-schemes-still-suck/#comment-34820 Raymond Thu, 13 May 2010 18:30:21 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=7237#comment-34820 Great post John! I always shake my head in disbelief whenever I see those get rich quick sites. People need to be educated that making money online is a real business whether you do part-time or full-time. That's why the general public always associate Internet marketing as not being legitimate because of these GRQ sites. Anyway great post again and thanks for sharing. Great post John! I always shake my head in disbelief whenever I see those get rich quick sites. People need to be educated that making money online is a real business whether you do part-time or full-time. That’s why the general public always associate Internet marketing as not being legitimate because of these GRQ sites. Anyway great post again and thanks for sharing.

]]> By: Karen http://churchm.ag/does-adding-ministry-make-you-legit-get-rich-quick-schemes-still-suck/#comment-34819 Karen Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:10:12 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=7237#comment-34819 See, Kelly, I think you have just underscored John's (and, the others') point. "Anything worth anything is being network marketed" and "we are all ministers." Ergo, network marketers = ministers. Hmmm...can't help disagreeing with that euphamism because I believe they have an entirely different impetus. One wakes up in the morning and says "How can I grow my paycheck today?" and the other wakes up saying "How can I make someone else's life better?" Now you can tell me that the marketer is using the money to build God's Kingdom, and that makes someone else's life better, or, that helping someone grow THEIR paycheck is mercenary, but there is a chasm there. One only needs to be the target of a network recruiter once in order to see the focus is the pyramid, not the product. To boil it down, network marketers have offended more people than genuine ministers--re-read the rant and comments and you'll see. Business owners don't leverage people, they fill a need in a market by offering something that adds value to someone's life. An ancillary, significant benefit to doing that well is viral growth. See, Kelly, I think you have just underscored John's (and, the others') point. "Anything worth anything is being network marketed" and "we are all ministers." Ergo, network marketers = ministers. Hmmm…can't help disagreeing with that euphamism because I believe they have an entirely different impetus. One wakes up in the morning and says "How can I grow my paycheck today?" and the other wakes up saying "How can I make someone else's life better?" Now you can tell me that the marketer is using the money to build God's Kingdom, and that makes someone else's life better, or, that helping someone grow THEIR paycheck is mercenary, but there is a chasm there.

One only needs to be the target of a network recruiter once in order to see the focus is the pyramid, not the product. To boil it down, network marketers have offended more people than genuine ministers–re-read the rant and comments and you'll see. Business owners don't leverage people, they fill a need in a market by offering something that adds value to someone's life. An ancillary, significant benefit to doing that well is viral growth.

]]> By: Nick_Shoemaker http://churchm.ag/does-adding-ministry-make-you-legit-get-rich-quick-schemes-still-suck/#comment-34818 Nick_Shoemaker Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:26:55 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=7237#comment-34818 Theresa, I found you via your post on ChurchCrunch. I read the book this afternoon, it has some valid OPINIONS but doesn't work for 99% of the people out there. Since you say you're a Christ follower, I'll cut to the chase: You're coming across as a scam artist. Your sites are literally thrown up and have absolutely no thought to them. John Saddington outlined it best in his post on Church Crunch regarding those websites. I really hope that you sincerely seek John's forgiveness for your inappropriate posts on Church Crunch- and stop. Sincerely, ~Nick Shoemaker Theresa,

I found you via your post on ChurchCrunch. I read the book this afternoon, it has some valid OPINIONS but doesn't work for 99% of the people out there. Since you say you're a Christ follower, I'll cut to the chase:

You're coming across as a scam artist. Your sites are literally thrown up and have absolutely no thought to them. John Saddington outlined it best in his post on Church Crunch regarding those websites. I really hope that you sincerely seek John's forgiveness for your inappropriate posts on Church Crunch- and stop.

Sincerely,

~Nick Shoemaker

]]> By: Nick_Shoemaker http://churchm.ag/does-adding-ministry-make-you-legit-get-rich-quick-schemes-still-suck/#comment-34817 Nick_Shoemaker Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:25:20 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=7237#comment-34817 Theresa, I read the book this afternoon, it has some valid OPINIONS but doesn't work for 99% of the people out there. Since you say you're a Christ follower, I'll cut to the chase: You're coming across as a scam artist. Your sites are literally thrown up and have absolutely no thought to them. John outlined it best in his post regarding those websites. I really hope that you sincerely seek John's forgiveness for your inappropriate posts on Church Crunch- and stop. Sincerely, ~Nick Shoemaker Theresa,

I read the book this afternoon, it has some valid OPINIONS but doesn't work for 99% of the people out there. Since you say you're a Christ follower, I'll cut to the chase:

You're coming across as a scam artist. Your sites are literally thrown up and have absolutely no thought to them. John outlined it best in his post regarding those websites. I really hope that you sincerely seek John's forgiveness for your inappropriate posts on Church Crunch- and stop.

Sincerely,

~Nick Shoemaker

]]> By: Nick_Shoemaker http://churchm.ag/does-adding-ministry-make-you-legit-get-rich-quick-schemes-still-suck/#comment-34816 Nick_Shoemaker Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:43:40 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=7237#comment-34816 This could be a dual purpose site- if you read it just right, it looks like "Ministry Tyrant".com LOL! This could be a dual purpose site- if you read it just right, it looks like "Ministry Tyrant".com

LOL!

]]> By: Kelly Reber http://churchm.ag/does-adding-ministry-make-you-legit-get-rich-quick-schemes-still-suck/#comment-34815 Kelly Reber Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:35:46 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=7237#comment-34815 Anything worth anything is being network marketed, whether you know it or not, even word of mouth is networking. From King Herrod's networking "Thugs" killing Christians, to the King of Kings himself, dying on a cross for you and me, wow talking about a supernatural networking miracle that's growing stronger and stronger everyday. 2000 years later souls are being harvested. From the shoes on your feet, to the shirt on your back, it's being marketed. If it weren't for marketing, you'd be paying much more for everything. Business owners are network marketers via people and time leveraging. Truth is, we are all ministers, either for the good, or for evil, because we ARE giving the message to those we come into contact with whether you like it or not, and guess what? Very few are scams, very few!! If you don't like the product, don't buy it!! If you want it investigated, then do it!! Business owners leverage people so that they can generate more income. They are called Entrapreneurs by our government. Anything worth anything is being network marketed, whether you know it or not, even word of mouth is networking.
From King Herrod's networking "Thugs" killing Christians, to the King of Kings himself, dying on a cross for you and me, wow talking about a supernatural networking miracle that's growing stronger and stronger everyday.
2000 years later souls are being harvested. From the shoes on your feet, to the shirt on your back, it's being marketed. If it weren't for marketing, you'd be paying much more for everything. Business owners are network
marketers via people and time leveraging. Truth is, we are all ministers, either for the good, or for evil, because
we ARE giving the message to those we come into contact with whether you like it or not, and guess what? Very
few are scams, very few!! If you don't like the product, don't buy it!! If you want it investigated, then do it!! Business
owners leverage people so that they can generate more income. They are called Entrapreneurs by our government.

]]> By: Rev Harriet http://churchm.ag/does-adding-ministry-make-you-legit-get-rich-quick-schemes-still-suck/#comment-34814 Rev Harriet Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:55:22 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=7237#comment-34814 Theresa Croft, has been the person the Lord has used to help me promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ. She has provided ways for me to blog as well as show me the advantage of using video to communicate with others. . That is what Theresa helps us to do. Because of my blog I have gotten potential speaking engagments. I want to share with you the link for the blog that Theresa Croft provided for me. Many people have been blessed by the messages that the Word has given to me to share .<a href="http://revharrietbradley.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://revharrietbradley.com/</a> Theresa's encouragement and teachings about video ministry and Internet marketing helped me to have a video viewed by President Barack Obama. This video was seen at President Obama's first Online Town Hall Meeting in March. There were 102,000 questions submitted. My video played all over the world and was on all the major televison networks. Talk about a "suddenly." <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYV5Smer2Y4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYV5Smer2Y4</a> I pray that the Lord will continue to anoint you in what He has assigned you to do! May you experience the best Christmas ever and be showered by the Love of Jesus Christ. Rev. Harriet Bradley Theresa Croft, has been the person the Lord has used to help me promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ. She has provided ways for me to blog as well as show me the advantage of using video to communicate with others. . That is what Theresa helps us to do. Because of my blog I have gotten potential speaking engagments.
I want to share with you the link for the blog that Theresa Croft provided for me. Many people have been blessed by the messages that the Word has given to me to share
.http://revharrietbradley.com/
Theresa's encouragement and teachings about video ministry and Internet marketing helped me to have a video viewed by President Barack Obama. This video was seen at President Obama's first Online Town Hall Meeting in March. There were 102,000 questions submitted. My video played all over the world and was on all the major televison networks. Talk about a "suddenly."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYV5Smer2Y4
I pray that the Lord will continue to anoint you in what He has assigned you to do!
May you experience the best Christmas ever and be showered by the Love of Jesus Christ.
Rev. Harriet Bradley

]]> By: Theresa Croft http://churchm.ag/does-adding-ministry-make-you-legit-get-rich-quick-schemes-still-suck/#comment-34813 Theresa Croft Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:07:54 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=7237#comment-34813 First of all I love your blog. It is awesome to see you introduce and inform your readers of such great and powerful technology....for Christians to take advantage of. I got that Bible app on my I-Phone and love it!!! Thank you. Ok..I am the subject of your article above. May I take a tad bit of space and clarify my heart. I despise spam and network marketing. Don't even mention MLM...I've been burned too. My passion, John,is to see people free physically, spiritually, and financially to go in the direction God has called them... FREEDOM...to serve God. The pages above were to give a way a book that has helped me and thousands others with online help from my mentor and Christian brother Stephen Pierce. No deceit meant. Sorry if it looks like a get rich quick deal. Don't believe in that either. The blogs you referenced is how I distribute my information. My main site is...well, I won't list it here so you won't think I'm spamming a response...But at my main site I desire to provide content and value to share and show how Christians can harness the power of the internet for promotion and yes, legitimate ways to earn resources to build the Kingdom of God. At my main site I also offer businesses, ministers, Christian musicians, Christian Authors, and ministries a chance to build their own page so they can promote for free and take advantage of the thousands who visit my site each month. The passion of my heart is to serve. If you or anyone else cares to investigate the truth of this passion, I will leave a link from one of the leaders in Ministry Marketing Online, Pam Perry's Blog Talk Radio show: <a href="http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ministrymarketingsolutions" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ministrymarketingsol...</a> Once again, this link is NOT mine above. If you care, I can e-mail you my website.... Thank you brother. Keep up the great work at your blog here. Peace. And yes, Merry Christmas. Theresa Croft First of all I love your blog. It is awesome to see
you introduce and inform your readers of such great
and powerful technology….for Christians to take advantage of.
I got that Bible app on my I-Phone and love it!!!

Thank you.

Ok..I am the subject of your article above.

May I take a tad bit of space and clarify my heart.

I despise spam and network marketing. Don't even
mention MLM…I've been burned too.

My passion, John,is to see people free physically, spiritually,
and financially to go in the direction God has called them…
FREEDOM…to serve God.

The pages above were to give a way a book
that has helped me and thousands others with online
help from my mentor and Christian brother Stephen
Pierce.

No deceit meant. Sorry if it looks like a get rich quick
deal. Don't believe in that either.

The blogs you referenced is how I distribute my information.

My main site is…well, I won't list it here so you won't think
I'm spamming a response…But at my main site I desire to
provide content and value to share and show how Christians
can harness the power of the internet for promotion and yes,
legitimate ways to earn resources to build the Kingdom of God.

At my main site I also offer businesses, ministers, Christian musicians, Christian
Authors, and ministries a chance to build their own page so they can promote for free
and take advantage of the thousands who visit my site each month.

The passion of my heart is to serve. If you or anyone else cares to
investigate the truth of this passion, I will leave a link from one of the
leaders in Ministry Marketing Online, Pam Perry's Blog Talk
Radio show:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ministrymarketingsol…

Once again, this link is NOT mine above.

If you care, I can e-mail you my website….

Thank you brother. Keep up the great work at your blog
here. Peace. And yes, Merry Christmas.

Theresa Croft

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