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		<title>By: Crgo</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/digital-bullets-are-just-as-harmful-as-real-ones/#comment-42858</link>
		<dc:creator>Crgo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear John,
 

 
I appreciate your comment and your blog. I believe that whatever we do needs to be in edification to those that we serve. Christian living applies to all of our doings. Matthew 18, and the commandments that Jesus taught us, Love your God... and love your neighbor as you love yourselves. I have seen this even more on twitter. We as Christians need to be careful, otherwise, the freedom we exercise will become more binding and burdensome and rules will appear that would makes us slaves and not free in the gospel. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John,</p>
<p>I appreciate your comment and your blog. I believe that whatever we do needs to be in edification to those that we serve. Christian living applies to all of our doings. Matthew 18, and the commandments that Jesus taught us, Love your God&#8230; and love your neighbor as you love yourselves. I have seen this even more on twitter. We as Christians need to be careful, otherwise, the freedom we exercise will become more binding and burdensome and rules will appear that would makes us slaves and not free in the gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/digital-bullets-are-just-as-harmful-as-real-ones/#comment-42856</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world moves so fast online that I can barely keep up! I&#039;m catching up on my reader just now. Thanks for the wise words John. You&#039;ve handled yourself very well. 
 
I especially like the idea of putting &quot;thought into creating value for others.&quot; Seriously, that&#039;s what this is about and that&#039;s what I love about your blog! Keep up the good work :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world moves so fast online that I can barely keep up! I&#039;m catching up on my reader just now. Thanks for the wise words John. You&#039;ve handled yourself very well. </p>
<p>I especially like the idea of putting &quot;thought into creating value for others.&quot; Seriously, that&#039;s what this is about and that&#039;s what I love about your blog! Keep up the good work <img src='http://cdn.churchm.ag/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: human3rror</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/digital-bullets-are-just-as-harmful-as-real-ones/#comment-42857</link>
		<dc:creator>human3rror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks so much lauren! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks so much lauren!</p>
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		<title>By: TomUsher</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/digital-bullets-are-just-as-harmful-as-real-ones/#comment-42855</link>
		<dc:creator>TomUsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth can be as a bullet to some souls. You wanted proof? It was there &#8211; the comment was there back on May 20. You put it back up on what, June 1, 2009, only after it was brought to your attention again. 
 
Here&#039;s your proof people: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/images/BlogCatalogActivityFeedMay20th2009ShowsCommentOnChurchCrunch.jpg&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/images/...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
I don&#039;t have any control over BlogCatalog or Intense Debate. Together, they show it was there, just as my eyes told me. Your statement that both comments went to spam because I had submitted a duplicate is false. Both comments showed up as normal and not spam. My comments were the only ones that disappeared and you&#039;re saying I should have contacted you. Then you turned around and said don&#039;t post our emails and that you were dropping the issue but posted the above without saying anything to me. 
 
I&#039;m done. This is prima facie. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth can be as a bullet to some souls. You wanted proof? It was there &ndash; the comment was there back on May 20. You put it back up on what, June 1, 2009, only after it was brought to your attention again. </p>
<p>Here&#039;s your proof people:<br />
<a href="http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/images/BlogCatalogActivityFeedMay20th2009ShowsCommentOnChurchCrunch.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/images/&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>I don&#039;t have any control over BlogCatalog or Intense Debate. Together, they show it was there, just as my eyes told me. Your statement that both comments went to spam because I had submitted a duplicate is false. Both comments showed up as normal and not spam. My comments were the only ones that disappeared and you&#039;re saying I should have contacted you. Then you turned around and said don&#039;t post our emails and that you were dropping the issue but posted the above without saying anything to me. </p>
<p>I&#039;m done. This is prima facie.</p>
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		<title>By: TomUsher</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/digital-bullets-are-just-as-harmful-as-real-ones/#comment-42854</link>
		<dc:creator>TomUsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, John, 
 
John, you wrote a comment saying that my comment disappeared because I submitted a duplicate. I wrote a thorough response showing that that was incorrect. You chose to ignore it. You rather said that I should have contacted you (something I have done with others many times). In my reply, I said quite openly that I would apologize and post a prominent retraction if you can explain how the comment showed up, was indexed by Google, and then disappeared. 
 
You were told early on about the problem, but did nothing &#8211; claiming later you didn&#039;t have time. 
 
Now, other people here are possibly attempting to see into why I&#039;m might have concluded that I was censored. Nowhere have you taken a second to sympathize with the fact that all over the place wholly appropriate comments of mine have been blocked and I&#039;ve even been banned by atheists and others for standing up for Jesus or that I have made contact about comments not showing up plenty of times but that I felt that in this case, it wasn&#039;t warranted. Was it a hasty conclusion? That was your stated position, but now what have you done? 
 
You never answered my questions about how the comment showed and then disappeared. My Intense Debate comments had not been having problems before your site. Now they are. 
 
You then wrote an email to me saying that you don&#039;t want me to put the content of the email online but that you were going to &quot;drop it&quot; (the issue). Now I&#039;ve been notified by others that not only did you not honor that statement but you&#039;ve posted the above post without any notice to me from you that you were reneging on your unsolicited email to me. Interesting method. If you weren&#039;t dishonest before, you certainly are now. If people can rebuke me here but don&#039;t rebuke you for what you&#039;ve plainly done that&#039;s slimy, that&#039;s their problem. 
 
You may have plenty of visitors supporting your position here; but considering that your explanation about duplicate comments and spam was without merit and that you&#039;ve now clearly done exactly what you said you would not and after I&#039;ve been attempting to find out more about what might have happened where I was possibly in error, well, John, you may be disappointed, but now I&#039;m even more disappointed. 
 
Why should I believe you now about the original disappearance of the comment after you said you were dropping it and also wrote to me, &quot;Whatever you feel led to do you may do&quot;? Now clearly exposed as dishonorable, are you to be trusted?  
 
I had more issues come up regarding Intense Debate and pursued the issues with it in mind to return here sincerely to apologize (to repent of any error) if it turns out that Intense Debate screwed up and not you. I put the new information online for all to see. 
 
You didn&#039;t answer my comments or questions because, as you wrote, you &quot;have much more important issues to deal with than this,&quot; but you found the time to write this post and answer these comments without letting me know or commenting on my site, etc. 
 
Yeah, it sucks is right. 
 
I&#039;ll leave it to others to decide who&#039;s being completely honest here. I know. 
 
Tom Usher 
 
P.S. The choice of image for this post is extremely misleading. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, John, </p>
<p>John, you wrote a comment saying that my comment disappeared because I submitted a duplicate. I wrote a thorough response showing that that was incorrect. You chose to ignore it. You rather said that I should have contacted you (something I have done with others many times). In my reply, I said quite openly that I would apologize and post a prominent retraction if you can explain how the comment showed up, was indexed by Google, and then disappeared. </p>
<p>You were told early on about the problem, but did nothing &ndash; claiming later you didn&#039;t have time. </p>
<p>Now, other people here are possibly attempting to see into why I&#039;m might have concluded that I was censored. Nowhere have you taken a second to sympathize with the fact that all over the place wholly appropriate comments of mine have been blocked and I&#039;ve even been banned by atheists and others for standing up for Jesus or that I have made contact about comments not showing up plenty of times but that I felt that in this case, it wasn&#039;t warranted. Was it a hasty conclusion? That was your stated position, but now what have you done? </p>
<p>You never answered my questions about how the comment showed and then disappeared. My Intense Debate comments had not been having problems before your site. Now they are. </p>
<p>You then wrote an email to me saying that you don&#039;t want me to put the content of the email online but that you were going to &quot;drop it&quot; (the issue). Now I&#039;ve been notified by others that not only did you not honor that statement but you&#039;ve posted the above post without any notice to me from you that you were reneging on your unsolicited email to me. Interesting method. If you weren&#039;t dishonest before, you certainly are now. If people can rebuke me here but don&#039;t rebuke you for what you&#039;ve plainly done that&#039;s slimy, that&#039;s their problem. </p>
<p>You may have plenty of visitors supporting your position here; but considering that your explanation about duplicate comments and spam was without merit and that you&#039;ve now clearly done exactly what you said you would not and after I&#039;ve been attempting to find out more about what might have happened where I was possibly in error, well, John, you may be disappointed, but now I&#039;m even more disappointed. </p>
<p>Why should I believe you now about the original disappearance of the comment after you said you were dropping it and also wrote to me, &quot;Whatever you feel led to do you may do&quot;? Now clearly exposed as dishonorable, are you to be trusted?  </p>
<p>I had more issues come up regarding Intense Debate and pursued the issues with it in mind to return here sincerely to apologize (to repent of any error) if it turns out that Intense Debate screwed up and not you. I put the new information online for all to see. </p>
<p>You didn&#039;t answer my comments or questions because, as you wrote, you &quot;have much more important issues to deal with than this,&quot; but you found the time to write this post and answer these comments without letting me know or commenting on my site, etc. </p>
<p>Yeah, it sucks is right. </p>
<p>I&#039;ll leave it to others to decide who&#039;s being completely honest here. I know. </p>
<p>Tom Usher </p>
<p>P.S. The choice of image for this post is extremely misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: human3rror</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/digital-bullets-are-just-as-harmful-as-real-ones/#comment-42853</link>
		<dc:creator>human3rror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, thanks so much for this. I read Darren&#039;s post a while ago but had completely forgotten it...!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is most excellent. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, thanks so much for this. I read Darren&#39;s post a while ago but had completely forgotten it&#8230;!</p>
<p>This is most excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: jaledwith</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/digital-bullets-are-just-as-harmful-as-real-ones/#comment-42852</link>
		<dc:creator>jaledwith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a lot of this seems like common sense, that we ought to confront a person about a grievance before we talk to others about it. But there&#039;s two things to consider. First, in the heat of the moment we all have forgotten how we ought to treat others, even those things that are obvious. Having looked at the situation for all of four minutes, my rough analysis says that&#039;s what happened in this case.  
 
But second, we have to allow for the fact that even some things that we think should be obvious to everyone are actually not obvious to everyone. I remember reading that Darren Rowse (ProBlogger.net) created a comment policy for his website, largely to spell out exactly what was and what was not appropriate. I think a section like that could be expanded to include thoughts on what to do if you, the reader, think your comment has been removed unfairly. Obviously this doesn&#039;t prevent someone from accusing you on their blog, but it does spell out an avenue to peaceably resolve the issue. 
 
I searched and found Darren&#039;s policy, in case you&#039;re interested. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/11/03/problogger-comments-policy/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/11/03/pro...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a lot of this seems like common sense, that we ought to confront a person about a grievance before we talk to others about it. But there&#039;s two things to consider. First, in the heat of the moment we all have forgotten how we ought to treat others, even those things that are obvious. Having looked at the situation for all of four minutes, my rough analysis says that&#039;s what happened in this case.  </p>
<p>But second, we have to allow for the fact that even some things that we think should be obvious to everyone are actually not obvious to everyone. I remember reading that Darren Rowse (ProBlogger.net) created a comment policy for his website, largely to spell out exactly what was and what was not appropriate. I think a section like that could be expanded to include thoughts on what to do if you, the reader, think your comment has been removed unfairly. Obviously this doesn&#039;t prevent someone from accusing you on their blog, but it does spell out an avenue to peaceably resolve the issue. </p>
<p>I searched and found Darren&#039;s policy, in case you&#039;re interested.<br />
<a href="http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/11/03/problogger-comments-policy/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.problogger.net/archives/2005/11/03/pro&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: human3rror</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/digital-bullets-are-just-as-harmful-as-real-ones/#comment-42851</link>
		<dc:creator>human3rror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eh, if i hadn&#039;t taken some time out to think, i would have done something stupid. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eh, if i hadn&#39;t taken some time out to think, i would have done something stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: human3rror</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/digital-bullets-are-just-as-harmful-as-real-ones/#comment-42850</link>
		<dc:creator>human3rror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:( </description>
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		<title>By: human3rror</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/digital-bullets-are-just-as-harmful-as-real-ones/#comment-42848</link>
		<dc:creator>human3rror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for this sarnaa. yeah. it sucks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for this sarnaa. yeah. it sucks.</p>
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