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	<title>Comments on: Designing for Churches is Tough</title>
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	<description>Exploring the Intersection of Church and Technology</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Dye</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/designing-for-churches-is-tough/#comment-21958</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Dye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Challenging, indeed.

I say, bring it: http://dyecasting.com/i-thank-god-for-challenging-clients/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Challenging, indeed.</p>
<p>I say, bring it: <a href="http://dyecasting.com/i-thank-god-for-challenging-clients/" rel="nofollow">http://dyecasting.com/i-thank-god-for-challenging-clients/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Magdalein</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/designing-for-churches-is-tough/#comment-21957</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Magdalein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 06:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man, front-loaded client education is a must. Whether the &quot;client&quot; is paying you as a freelancer or the &quot;client&quot; is your pastor and you pull a salary, educating them is necessary.

Bottom line, it&#039;s not their job to know best practices for the web (or anything creative). It&#039;s your job. And the distinction of who should know the most about what needs to be clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, front-loaded client education is a must. Whether the &#8220;client&#8221; is paying you as a freelancer or the &#8220;client&#8221; is your pastor and you pull a salary, educating them is necessary.</p>
<p>Bottom line, it&#8217;s not their job to know best practices for the web (or anything creative). It&#8217;s your job. And the distinction of who should know the most about what needs to be clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Vajaah</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/designing-for-churches-is-tough/#comment-21956</link>
		<dc:creator>Vajaah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brian Hope you get permission I&#039;d love to see the form too :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian Hope you get permission I&#8217;d love to see the form too <img src='http://cdn.churchm.ag/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brent Lacy</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/designing-for-churches-is-tough/#comment-21954</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Lacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot this one:

I want it to look exactly like ______________&#039;s site, but uniquely ours...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot this one:</p>
<p>I want it to look exactly like ______________&#8217;s site, but uniquely ours&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Beaird</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/designing-for-churches-is-tough/#comment-21953</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Beaird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHA!! I&#039;m putting your answers in my archive for answers to future questions, HAHA!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA!! I&#8217;m putting your answers in my archive for answers to future questions, HAHA!!</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/designing-for-churches-is-tough/#comment-21955</link>
		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Social comments and analytics for this post...&lt;/strong&gt;

This post was mentioned on Twitter by churchcreate: Designing for Churches is Tough - http://bit.ly/90Pw55...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Social comments and analytics for this post&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by churchcreate: Designing for Churches is Tough &#8211; <a href="http://bit.ly/90Pw55.." rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/90Pw55..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: austinklee</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/designing-for-churches-is-tough/#comment-21952</link>
		<dc:creator>austinklee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those that give conflicting wants/desires will require tons of revisions because nothing you do can give them everything they want.  While those that just leave it to your creative genius sometimes create a moving target because your designs &quot;don&#039;t speak to them.&quot;

I agree with Jared: EDUCATION.  Explaining to the the conflicting guy that in design you can&#039;t really make something &quot;fun and corporate&quot; and also explain to the guy that doesn&#039;t care that it is important to be involved in the project because the finished project will be better.

To underscore this education we give our clients we place a limit on the number of revisions we do for our clients.  3 rounds. Round 1 are three different designs all together.  They can choose elements they like and we do 3 designs...lather rinse repeat.

After that they will have to pay for further revisions.  We have found this is a great way to keep them focused and us to keep our sanity.

Anybody else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those that give conflicting wants/desires will require tons of revisions because nothing you do can give them everything they want.  While those that just leave it to your creative genius sometimes create a moving target because your designs &#8220;don&#8217;t speak to them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with Jared: EDUCATION.  Explaining to the the conflicting guy that in design you can&#8217;t really make something &#8220;fun and corporate&#8221; and also explain to the guy that doesn&#8217;t care that it is important to be involved in the project because the finished project will be better.</p>
<p>To underscore this education we give our clients we place a limit on the number of revisions we do for our clients.  3 rounds. Round 1 are three different designs all together.  They can choose elements they like and we do 3 designs&#8230;lather rinse repeat.</p>
<p>After that they will have to pay for further revisions.  We have found this is a great way to keep them focused and us to keep our sanity.</p>
<p>Anybody else?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Shoemaker</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/designing-for-churches-is-tough/#comment-21951</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite question:

Look at the is site. Can you do this?

I have two answers:

Yes- if you want your site to suck.

Yes- if you have an unlimited budget.

I agree with Jared- educating people is the best way to gain understanding. A little information tends to go a long way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite question:</p>
<p>Look at the is site. Can you do this?</p>
<p>I have two answers:</p>
<p>Yes- if you want your site to suck.</p>
<p>Yes- if you have an unlimited budget.</p>
<p>I agree with Jared- educating people is the best way to gain understanding. A little information tends to go a long way.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/designing-for-churches-is-tough/#comment-21950</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure thing! I just emailed it to you. 

If the author/moderator approves, I can post a link on here. Don&#039;t want to do it without permission though ;) haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure thing! I just emailed it to you. </p>
<p>If the author/moderator approves, I can post a link on here. Don&#8217;t want to do it without permission though <img src='http://cdn.churchm.ag/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  haha</p>
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		<title>By: CynthiaDesigns</title>
		<link>http://churchm.ag/designing-for-churches-is-tough/#comment-21949</link>
		<dc:creator>CynthiaDesigns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find I have to work backwards. I can usually get in the ballpark, then its a matter of what part of the project/website/ministry pages/graphics the DON&#039;T WANT.  Very rarely is there a clear picture in their head of what they want - but they always know what they don&#039;t want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find I have to work backwards. I can usually get in the ballpark, then its a matter of what part of the project/website/ministry pages/graphics the DON&#8217;T WANT.  Very rarely is there a clear picture in their head of what they want &#8211; but they always know what they don&#8217;t want.</p>
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