Comments on: 10 Reasons Why Web Ministry Applications and Initiatives Fail http://churchm.ag/10-reasons-why-web-ministry-applications-and-initiatives-fail/ Exploring the Intersection of Church and Technology Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:17:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Review - Digital Evangelism, the Religious Gap, and 1 Billion Web Users | churchrelevance.com http://churchm.ag/10-reasons-why-web-ministry-applications-and-initiatives-fail/#comment-47226 The Review - Digital Evangelism, the Religious Gap, and 1 Billion Web Users | churchrelevance.com Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:03:16 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=3077#comment-47226 [...] 10 Reasons Why Web Ministry Applications and Initiatives Fail (1) Never Built. (4) Bad Modeling. (8) Strategy. Read the post for the other 7 reasons. [...] [...] 10 Reasons Why Web Ministry Applications and Initiatives Fail (1) Never Built. (4) Bad Modeling. (8) Strategy. Read the post for the other 7 reasons. [...]

]]> By: human3rror http://churchm.ag/10-reasons-why-web-ministry-applications-and-initiatives-fail/#comment-47222 human3rror Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:04:04 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=3077#comment-47222 puahaha. the toolbox mentality is great. thanks for that! puahaha. the toolbox mentality is great. thanks for that!

]]> By: links for 2009-02-18 | This Inspires Me http://churchm.ag/10-reasons-why-web-ministry-applications-and-initiatives-fail/#comment-47221 links for 2009-02-18 | This Inspires Me Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:15:10 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=3077#comment-47221 [...] 10 Reasons Why Web Ministry Applications and Initiatives Fail (tags: apps ministry) [...] [...] 10 Reasons Why Web Ministry Applications and Initiatives Fail (tags: apps ministry) [...]

]]> By: Matt Harrell http://churchm.ag/10-reasons-why-web-ministry-applications-and-initiatives-fail/#comment-47220 Matt Harrell Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:52:12 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=3077#comment-47220 Yes...using simple tools to help members communicate better. Tools that slightly expand on what they're used to. Just to make it easier for everyone to connect. I like it ;). Yes…using simple tools to help members communicate better. Tools that slightly expand on what they're used to. Just to make it easier for everyone to connect. I like it ;) .

]]> By: Matt Harrell http://churchm.ag/10-reasons-why-web-ministry-applications-and-initiatives-fail/#comment-47225 Matt Harrell Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:38:13 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=3077#comment-47225 John, this is an excellent and timely post for me. And this advice is good for not just churches, but any organization. Building, selling and using software has so many facets it's crazy. I also agree with NicCharalambous that creating software that tries to meet every single need is a mistake. Look at what it's done to some of the big membership management apps that we continue to hear a lot of frustration with. And look at the crazy success of Basecamp and 37Signals (our inspiration for product design). Churches and orgs cannot be afraid to use different tools for different purposes. It's ok for your organization to have a toolbelt of software...or even a toolbox. Good stuff here, thanks! I could comment on almost every point. Maybe if did I could increase my intensedebate count to an acceptable level ;). John, this is an excellent and timely post for me. And this advice is good for not just churches, but any organization. Building, selling and using software has so many facets it's crazy. I also agree with NicCharalambous that creating software that tries to meet every single need is a mistake. Look at what it's done to some of the big membership management apps that we continue to hear a lot of frustration with. And look at the crazy success of Basecamp and 37Signals (our inspiration for product design). Churches and orgs cannot be afraid to use different tools for different purposes. It's ok for your organization to have a toolbelt of software…or even a toolbox. Good stuff here, thanks! I could comment on almost every point. Maybe if did I could increase my intensedebate count to an acceptable level ;) .

]]> By: human3rror http://churchm.ag/10-reasons-why-web-ministry-applications-and-initiatives-fail/#comment-47224 human3rror Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:44:13 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=3077#comment-47224 i purposely left that one out. ;) but yes, thanks for adding it. love the comments that add the love. i purposely left that one out. ;) but yes, thanks for adding it. love the comments that add the love.

]]> By: human3rror http://churchm.ag/10-reasons-why-web-ministry-applications-and-initiatives-fail/#comment-47223 human3rror Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:44:11 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=3077#comment-47223 dude. you're speaking my language dude. dude. you're speaking my language dude.

]]> By: human3rror http://churchm.ag/10-reasons-why-web-ministry-applications-and-initiatives-fail/#comment-47219 human3rror Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:40:09 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=3077#comment-47219 word up man. you're probably learning this as we speak...! expert. word. word up man. you're probably learning this as we speak…! expert. word.

]]> By: NicCharalambous http://churchm.ag/10-reasons-why-web-ministry-applications-and-initiatives-fail/#comment-47218 NicCharalambous Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:41:30 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=3077#comment-47218 This point ---------> You don’t need to satisfy every single problem for every single ministry in one web ministry application or initiative. It’s ok to have more than one! <---------------- EPIC! This point ———> You don’t need to satisfy every single problem for every single ministry in one web ministry application or initiative. It’s ok to have more than one! <—————- EPIC!

]]> By: BenCotten http://churchm.ag/10-reasons-why-web-ministry-applications-and-initiatives-fail/#comment-47217 BenCotten Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:05:58 +0000 http://churchcrunch.com/?p=3077#comment-47217 The "Too Futurist" point hits home with where I am. There are lots of things that I would like to do with our church in this area that we can't. The primary reason is that it wouldn't make sense for our size and comfort level with technology. That brings in point 7 about education. It takes some time to baby-step people into being comfortable (and seeing the value of) some of these tools. Even if the leadership sees the value and understands its importance, if there isn't a critical mass of adoption in those you are leading the thing won't get off the ground. Timing is everything. For us the trick has been to get people used to using email as a two-way communication tool instead of just a one-way announcement/broadcast tool. Using chat, blogs (and getting them to comment), etc. As the adoption rate of those basic tools increases it becomes easier to introduce other things that require a bigger buy-in. Ultimately what we are doing is teaching people to be global thinkers instead of local/regional thinkers. The "Too Futurist" point hits home with where I am. There are lots of things that I would like to do with our church in this area that we can't. The primary reason is that it wouldn't make sense for our size and comfort level with technology. That brings in point 7 about education. It takes some time to baby-step people into being comfortable (and seeing the value of) some of these tools.

Even if the leadership sees the value and understands its importance, if there isn't a critical mass of adoption in those you are leading the thing won't get off the ground. Timing is everything.

For us the trick has been to get people used to using email as a two-way communication tool instead of just a one-way announcement/broadcast tool. Using chat, blogs (and getting them to comment), etc. As the adoption rate of those basic tools increases it becomes easier to introduce other things that require a bigger buy-in. Ultimately what we are doing is teaching people to be global thinkers instead of local/regional thinkers.

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